I would not fly to the US even if I got paid for it. I value my life and the US politics look like a serious threat to my wellbeing.
So, count me (German) into the group of „stay the hell away from the US“ people.
Don’t worry. Americans will start coming to you when things start getting bad here. You’re lucky though. You’ll get the Americans who are able to travel by air.
Mexico and Canada will get ones who can’t fly because they believe airplanes are demons.
Oh they’re already here. One American expat I know greatly enjoys our affordable healthcare, childcare, worker’s rights, tenant’s rights, 30 days of paid leave, customer protections, etc. etc.
And she’s a Trump supporter.
Oh, and she thinks there are too many immigrants coming to Germany.
Perhaps she would like to help reduce the amount of immigrants by getting deported herself?
If she gets her wish and Germany is ruled by the AfD party, she just might!
I hope they deport her to an immigration camp…
I have no idea why it’s so common, but a lot of immigrants seem to hate immigrants. My parents are one of them
I seriously don’t get it. You’re the immigrant!
Probably had a bad experience with an immigrant-hating-immigrant and decided to hate all immigrants in response.
Same people who always pull the ladder up behind them.
Or they resent that they did it the “right way” and think other people are doing it the “wrong way”, even if someone else is doing it fully legally.
Years ago I spoke to a Turk in Germany who said something similar about eastern europeans migrating to Germany. His argument against them migrating was that there are too many migrants in Germany already and he felt his livelihood was threatened because of it.
It actually makes sense from a a job security perspective (he was a cab driver).
I am experiencing a similar feeling in a different setting. We bought an old house in a tiny village. Me and my wife we both love nature and moved out of the city into a forgotten place. In the oast few years this place became popular and now more and more people are buying land and building houses here. I get why they do it, i did it too. Its beautiful here. But i just dont want them here. Soon this place will be another rowded popular mountain spot. I hate to think about it. I want it to remain calm.
It’s the ol’ ‘I got mine so buzz off’ attitude. Just another way humans try to be elitist.
expat
The word is called immigrant.
Yes. A lot of people including
expatsimmigrants do not understand this.
Of, fuck her.
We’d be happy to take her place. She should come back here to MAGAland if she likes it so much.
“Rules for thee, not for me”
And she’s a Trump supporter.
And she’s a
Trump supporterfucking moron.
I live in the US and won’t do any international travel under this regime for the same concerns when I inevitably have to return to the shithole of the Americas.
Don’t worry, the current German government is just as evil.
The current German government is bad. But it’s far from being as catastrophic as Trump‘s shit show.
It’s certainly more competent than Trumps, but it’s just as evil, presuming you care about morality and not just the material comfort of white Germans
Go read about how empty Las Vegas is and all the people scratching their heads wondering why no one wants to come. Personally, I think the people who say they don’t know are lying or stupid.
I just did a YouTube search for ‘Las Vegas dead’ and found a video of a guy highlighting how dead it is, and my god the comments are all to do with stuff like price gouging cited as the reason why… Someone even suggested it’s because they’re all going LA instead. Nobody is mentioning the lack of foreign tourists… Crazy stuff.
Honestly, 2 things can be true. Vegas has gouged consumers excessively in recent years. Fees for parking, increased resort fees, fewer comps for gamblers while at the same time removing anything remotely affordable like buffets. They have not helped themselves in attracting domestic visitors, and the regime isn’t helping with foreign visitors. It might get ugly out there really soon, and frankly, a lot of it was self inflicted by greedy corporations.
That’s crazy, with the reportedly large ICE presence in LA, I’m sure domestic tourism is even down.
I’ve heard the same about the Disney parks, where people are wondering why it’s not as crowded as usual.
I didn’t even think of the ICE situation in LA but you’re right; suggesting that’s where the tourists are just shows a lack of awareness around that whole situation too, which is just as insane.
In this economy I don’t get how people spurge on Disney park. If I was a regular Disney park visitor, I would probably try another cheaper one if I could still afford the annual trip. But I will certainly not try the Disney park from another continent.
Even if it was cheaper to go to another continent, that means dealing with US customs and/or ICE on the way back for US citizens. With due process going out the window, that’s even unsafe.
I mean as non-USA tourists.
I understand, I was expanding your statement to emphasize the fact that nobody is safe crossing into the US anymore.
If it’s such a ghost town why is media reporting that there has only been about an 11% decline? It seems bigger than that…right?
Crazy is getting reality from one youtube video
Just as well that it’s just you misrepresenting what was said then isn’t it.
lying or stupid
Partly #2, there is a pretty decent news blackout for the things they don’t want you to hear. Right-wing news shows nothing of it, left-wing news might occasionally eek something out. Museums are being strong-armed to take down historical displays that don’t mesh with the narrative they’re trying to write, real-life 1984 stuff. When there is news, it’s 50 articles about cutting health care redistricting to make the left wins impossible. There’s so much they’re pandering to the extreme right that the deterred tourists hardly makes a dent.
I’m all over the left and centrist news, and I’ve heard of a couple of German tourists and a few Canadians being held for weeks to months, but nothing from NZ. I kinda want to try to log all this stuff in a link warden to preserve it.
When they put bounties on people and they don’t bother checking for legal status much… with those bounty hunters probably trigger happy dumbasses and more and more reports of lilly white people getting caught up in this shit it is no wonder people are just not interested in being another statistic.
When they put bounties on people and they don’t bother checking for legal status much…
Just like when Stalin gave police arrest quotas and they just started arresting random people at train stations and public buildings etc.
Yeah, or like how America has treated it’s African American population for it’s whole existence. But you know Americans, they can never see their own country doing something bad without saying “What are we, a bunch of foreigners?”
11% down from 2024 is not “empty.”
Sorry, decimated would be more appropriate then.
A bit more than decimated, technically speaking.
We decimated the decimation!
Ackshually that would be 1%, as 10% of 10% is 1%.
I used to work in tourism.
It really matters which 11% are we talking about. The relatively little people attending conferences on a company dime that won’t exit their hotels and will spend exactly as budgeted are probs still there. The richer touristy people who can choose where to spend and are happy to spend on random bullshit going elsewhere hurts more. This is conjecture of course.
I’ve personally seen - in an unrelated place - tourist crowds getting bigger, hotel revenues getting slightly bigger, but everyone else in the industry like restaurants, activity places and souvenir shops, stagnating and closing as the bigger crowds were because the festivalgoers and young single people were switched out for families who pack their own lunch and primarily only sightsee and do what’s free.
Look at Venice, insane crowds from cruise ships mean zero income for the city and its inhabitants because those people eat and sleep on the ship.
It really matters which 11% is missing. If you want to know how it affects tourism, you need data from that industry, data I think the Trump admin will be reluctant to collect.
I don’t work in tourism, but I would have thought business travellers were among the more sought-after guests. Since they’re not paying with their own money, they don’t put much effort into bargain hunting. They’re not high rollers, but they’ll probably at least spend as much as their company allows.
OTOH, someone travelling on a personal vacation will probably be watching their pennies. They don’t have an expense account.
I know that business travellers are the most sought-after clients for airlines. They’re not in first class, but first class bookings are fickle. Business customers are reliable. They book last minute flights and pay whatever that requires.
Flights and hotels are different this way than other establishments, as they are “essential” for visitors, you don’t buy them on the spot and you can’t really get to a destination without transportation and a place to stay. From a different perspective, they are privileged, since for them only first class is fickle. For everyone else, all customers are.
So if you work for eg. a place that rents out jet-skis on the shore, you won’t see a lot of suits, because they don’t have time. And to be honest, most likely only around 10% of visitors will actually be your customers. Now if those customers are overrepresented in that missing 11%, you may have just halved your turnover, which means you’ll need to close up shop.
go lose 11% of your monthly income and come back and let us know how that works out for you
Bro it’s 2025. We’ve all lost at least 11% of our income/spending power post Covid
Imagine 11% more on top of that.
11% down is devastating. Why downplay it?
COVID was devastating. The strip saw their income fall 50%.
11% is bad but not “Ghost Town”
‘empty’
‘no one wants to come’
I’m sure 11% is a significant drop in any industry, but they weren’t downplaying it, just correcting an exaggeration
There was clearly a modifier in front of the word “empty.” There is a huge difference between saying, “empty” and “how empty.” Perhaps you have some sort of agenda that kept you from realizing that.
Every time I’ve been to Vegas there have been a TON of foreigners. Same with Tahoe. I’ll be in Tahoe soon and I’m going to keep an eye open for how many less foreigners there are this time.
Do you live in LV? I was there just two weeks ago, I found it just as crowded and bustling as it has been in all my many other visits to the Strip. It was absolutely crowded, not dead anywhere. Maybe the difference is something more subtle that only a local would recognize. But from my perspective I noticed nothing strange.
Apparently vegas was already declining for a while, because of thier gouging and online options for gambling. the current issue, is trump basically accelerated its decline. ALSO NEVADa which is a red state depends on people gambling and touring to nevada, alot of california transplants went there for the no-income tax. it will be hilarious once they realized things are just as expensive if not more when tourism basically flatlines.
a YT channel i originally followed, asian poc talking about the news. some of the owners moved to vegas , and some of the guest host moved to reno, it was hilirious watching them complain about california and NEVADA for its lack of services like schools and private pratices, and yes they are RIGHTIEs.(very long story i used to follow but keep tabs on them through a subreddit) like former fans.
Because they think it’s only minorities and white people are still welcome.
Even as an American I don’t understand why tourism hasn’t dropped more than it has. I know it’s down but I’m amazed people are still coming at all.
But, it’s true that the mainstream media isn’t really reporting on this, Trump’s ‘flood the zone’ strategy works exceedingly well.
I don’t understand why tourism hasn’t dropped more than it has. I
Probably because something so big as a voyage to the US is often planned for years before which may make it too difficult or expensive to cancel. A year from now, things might look a lot different.
I know a Belgian guy working in DC, he says people are bracing for the start of the school year, the expectation being that many will have made plans to leave over the summer when it’s most convenient.
As a Canadian, I went to LA this summer because tickets were cheap and trade wars weren’t begun when I bought them. But the cost of life over there is so expensive it trumps any savings on the tickets.
Not going back until you guys fix this.
Going to US for tourism purpose is often very expensive for a lot of people, even european need to fly quite far away to reach there, so more often than not people would gamble on the chance of getting in without issue instead of cancel the plan. If they’re white then it’s likely less issue.
You say that, but I’ve seen my fair share of news articles about chalky Brits being sent back home; usually for stuff like offensive content found on their phones (the one that comes to mind, was someone being rejected entry because he had the fat Vance meme saved in his images automatically by a WhatsApp chat).
I suppose Americans wouldn’t even be aware that foreigners are liable to these checks prior to entry, or that governments like Germany and the UK have put up travel advisories warning against visiting. Crazy to think about given it’s such common knowledge the world over… Some NK level of public deception.
That guy was Norwegian, and Homeland Security said he was detained and sent home because he admitted to drug use on his entry forms, not because of any memes.
Ah you’re right, he wasn’t British; he was Norwegian, so even more likely to be white. Is it accents rather than skin colour that set the racism off?
The claims that this didn’t happen, is simply the accused saying “actually no”. It’s their word against his, no evidence has been provided to prove that what the DHS say is accurate (the current regime still won’t release the Epstein files, so I doubt they’d release any evidence about something so trivial in comparison) and quite frankly, the maga regime hasn’t been honest about a single thing thus far, so why would they start now?
The supposed admission you refer to is due to them finding a picture of a wooden pipe in his photos on his phone, not because he admitted to drug use on a form. Which makes the whole “white tourists are getting deported for the content of their phones” still ring true.
I’m amazed people are still coming at all.
expats
We see regular articles about the decline in business for American tourism in our part of Canada. There have been some major destination offers of 50-80% off offered to Canadians willing to return and stay at traditional places Canadians visit.
Fuck em. Death to murica.
You aren’t supposed to travel into Nazi Germany right as they are setting up the concentration camps. US tourism should be zero if you don’t have family here
The Olympics were held in Germany while Nazis were in power, it’ll be that way here too.
Germany cleaned up Berlin, took down signs, and chilled out somewhat for the Olympics. I don’t know if the current administration is smart enough to do that.
US tourism should be zero, and if you have family here then you should be trying to help them leave.
We do not specifically hate the US. We fear for our safety and our families with MAGA, Trump, ICE and sadly now, the people we’re supposed to go to for help, the police. .I’ve been visiting the US every 3-4 years since 1994 when ‘fly drive’ holidays were affordable for people aged 21. Havent been since Trump was rising in popularity for election and we were having a chat about it in a restaurant in Orlando. We had not realised just how quickly strangers could get hostile so quickly. Currently, my social media and messages would likely be sufficient to have me disappeared. I am maybe typically of Europeans for my open view of Trump.
I know it’s a total trope, but it isn’t all Americans. Plenty of us are horrified by what’s happening too…
Or get labelled as “dangerous criminals”, because of the quota of ICE.
I grew up learning that the communist secret police was bad, because they had to fill out quotas of arrests for crimes, so they just tortured people until they confessed. Often they were executed. Even one of my great-grandfather was sent to a gulag after he was at the wrong place during the 1956 revolution of Hungary, while the other was almost arrested for not wanting to shoot protestors with a machine gun.
Americans are dumbasses.
Source: I live in the USA
As an American I can confirm we are absolute trash right now and we’re sealing our fate for at least a generation.
People the world over are going to spend the rest of their lives at the very least having a bad taste in their mouth when America is brought up. Things may “normalize” and regular trade agreements may resume, but trust is broken and that’s long-term.
It’s unbelievably depressing to watch from the inside. The shock of finding out that such a high percentage of your fellow citizens are stupid/racist/hateful is profound.
People the world over are going to spend the rest of their lives at the very least having a bad taste in their mouth when America is brought up
Bud…i have one hell of a revelation for you…
This. Don’t come here for the Olympics. Don’t come here for the World Cup. You could find yourself in a world of shiat for absolutely no reason at all. We’ve got some serious problems here, right now.
I cannot remember a time when you didn’t.
The people downvoting you don’t understand that they’re part of the reason our country keeps doing shit like this. Unwillingness to do some radical self-examination or entertain hard truths about the history of the place they live help ensure that it’ll keep happening. A lot of people can only emote at bad things and refuse to understand how or why they occur.
It’s because they genuinely don’t consider foreigners to be fully humans; they see them as extras in the story of America. That’s why they get so angry at Trump, because he’s treating ‘main characters’ the way America has always treated lesser humans.
Oh it will be generational.
I am Canadian. My kids 12 and 10 are learning to avoid all products and services from 'murica. They’re into it and talking about it with their friends. They will be taught and they will follow through. They already are.
Death to 'murica.
but trust is broken and that’s long-term.
I hope you don’t think anyone trusted America before Trump. You’ve been a scourge on the globe for a long time.
Should we actually get better the long-term broken trust is merited, because if we cannot present a proven way to prevent this from ever happening again then it most certainly will.
I’m trans, if I ever set a toe in that shithole I’m gonna get shot
Thank gods Europe is still free (at least for now)
They’re not shooting us YET but I’m sure it’s coming. I’m trans and HERE and scared as fuck.
yeah… :((((
take care of yourselves, this is gonna get rough. I’m sticking it out where I am until I have no choice but to get out, and seeing what we can do here to help people relocate to relative safety. I have tentative hope that some states will effectively resist this, at least for now, but no matter where you are it’s definitely time for a flight plan if you can make one.
we may have lost the battle for now, but there’s time still to bolster our communities and survive this. at least I have to hope so.
I won’t even enter American air space for as long as I live. Also, I’m not ever going to buy American products unless I absolutely have to.
I watch Telemundo with subtitles in my office when I want to have something on so I can try to learn a little more Spanish. Everyday they’re talking about ICE abducting people. It’s wild. And it’s local Telemundo. This shit is fucked.
I told someone from UK recently that yeah, America is cool, I think it’s worth seeing some of the national parks, but maybe wait until this administration is out because holy FUCK.
can i borrow your rose colored glasses i need them got a feeling today is gonna be rough
American here. We have almost 3.5 more years of this horse shit. If indeed cheetoh Hitler allows another election.
Cheetoh Hitler doesn’t get to make that decision: you do.
You might have missed some news in the last few days…
I might have. What important thing did I miss?
The numbers for your last election don’t make sense. You are not going to have a free election for a while.
Most places which fall to fascist regimes have a minimum of a few decades of bad times and thousands to millions of deaths.
Well the US has already thoroughly managed the millions dead, assuming you consider foreigners human.
Of course but I meant that it’s naive to expect it to go back to normal without substantial strife for the people who live here not downplaying any strife elsewhere.
The Republicans are going to fuck up badly enough that they doom themselves in fair elections leaving them openly cheating or otherwise ending actual democracy. This leads to resistance and upset which they meet with violence which cycles up until the whole thing explodes.
Of course but I meant that it’s naive to expect it to go back to normal without substantial strife for the people who live here not downplaying any strife elsewhere.
Well that “normal” people want to go back to already included massive strife for the rest of the world, so I’m not sympathetic to Americans.
otherwise ending actual democracy.
I find it hard to say that’s there’s much Democracy to end anyway.
This leads to resistance and upset which they meet with violence which cycles up until the whole thing explodes.
Yeah. That’s the Imperial Boomerang for you, I suppose.
Actual democracy means that if you don’t like how its going you have a right to switch leadership which in turn has a right to change the laws you don’t like something we absolutely have had.before just recently.
Did the millions of people America murdered overseas have a right to switch leadership? Or the absurd number of prisoners in US jails? Did people outside of swing states? People who want something other than neoliberalism? The people who were part of communist or black liberation parties that were destroyed by the US intelligence services and their leadership assassinated?
Obviously people in other countries don’t have a right to have a say in leadership here. All the people mentioned here have exactly the rights others have to vote. Obviously the relatively stupid beta democracy 0.03 we are stuck with doesn’t provide very good protection nor ability to achieve even reasonable ends in our rather fucky system but that wasn’t really the question.
The question is given large scale fuckery are we able to change gears. We were up until now it looks like we won’t be able to going forward which is a substantial difference.
Im a Canadian citizen, but was born in Central America. I have tattoos and anti trump memes on my phone. I at least used to tel myself “at leadte if I get arrested and fucked with, the Canadian government will save me”
Then I saw a report about a white Canadian girl who was detained for weeks. And the Canadian government did nothing and let her rot till the Americans released her. So yeah I ain’t going anywhere near the U.S
What is the Canadian government supposed to do about it, invade the US?
It’s not like reasonable negotiation is getting anyone anywhere.
It’s not for me to say what the government should do, im not a diplomat. But I know that ignoring the family and saying nothing about it is not the right response. They should post a travel ban that treats the U.S like North Korea an other “do not travel to for any reason” countries. I for one am done with America and all Americans in general. World would be better off if every American got raptured tomorrow.
What is the Canadian government supposed to do about it, invade the US?
Canadians have already burned down the White House once before, doing it once again might be a good idea.
What has been particularly telling for me as an Aussie is the sheer number of radio ads I’ve heard in the past few months trying to get people to travel to the US, or offering competitions where the prize is a US holiday (which, if I was the type to actually phone and enter radio station competitions, would be a deterrant for me!). It’s clear that US tourism has taken a nose-dive and plenty of us non-Americans don’t want to visit any more (it’s a bit disappointing as there are a few things I would like to have seen, but wouldn’t risk going there now).
Haven’t you been at least the slightest bit curious about what the inside of a jail cell looks like?
I have been wondering what it be like to be in an El Salvadoran concentration camp looks like. Maybe I can meet new friends.
Funny how many “Going to Canada/USA is easy” type of ads I have seen. No, I don’t see why I need to go to Canada either. Travel is a huge pain in the ass even without interment camps.
Going is easy. It’s getting to come back that’s the problem.
canada has internment camps too?
Well, their treatment of natives is pretty horrendous still, but that’s no different than Australia and NZ.
Have you been to Canada?
Yes. Are you seriously trying to downplay the mistreatment of natives in any of these places?
I’m unfamiliar with Australia and NZ, but fully agree that historically Canada has engaged in a massive genocide. But in the context of the thread about American interment camps I think it’s a bit disingenuous. While far from perfect, Canada has done a lot in the truth and reconciliation department.
Most of the mistreatment these days stems from resource development projects infringing on unceded territories.
I live in an indigenous community, and have lived in many others throughout my life. I have noticed a massive improvement in my elder millennial life.
While I think some systemic racism still exists towards indigenous folks, I can’t think of anywhere I’ve been with more racial awareness. I certainly noticed much more racist behavior while traveling in Europe recently.
But in the context of the thread about American interment camps I think it’s a bit disingenuous.
Agreed, I didn’t mean to imply that but my wording could have been better.
I have to put up with the shitty KIIS (106.5) repetitive trash at work all day. Hearing Gordie hammer on about going to LA just drives me nuts.
Headphones and cranking my jams/podcast to eleven.
Maybe also, occasionally accidentally unplug/knock over whatever is broadcasting that trash.
Ouch! I am glad I generally get to choose when the radio is on or not (most of the time it’s when I have to run an errand and so have it on in the car and can pick which channel to listen to).
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Here’s an idea: enter those competitions, win the prize, and then request to turn it into cash. It is win-win: ICE loses potential bounties, and Australians get money.
@JeSuisUnHombre In 2023 I took a trip to Canada from the US via car – at the Canadian border, a nice guy asked me two questions and they waived me through. No guards, no guns, no dogs.
Coming back into the American border? Militarized checkpoint. Black-clothed rifle-carrying agents marching up and down through lines of cars, with dogs. A car next to me with a family inside being stripped down for a search.
Most Americans don’t travel out of country, and thus don’t see this stuff.
